rotax 503 vs 582

It is also possible to use a 3202 in this application, but it really is not necessary, the 2702 is plenty of power. There are several engine options that will work nicely here. So far the highest time Hirth engine I have heard of is a 2702 engine at well over 2000 hours without an overhaul. This engine is a boxer engine with both cylinders firing at the same time. 447UL Illustrated Parts (11) 503UL CDI (12) 582UL (13) 2-Stroke Accessories (167) Price. If you are interested in an F23 on a Challenger, please contact me and I will see if I can bump that project up the priority list. The engine is very robustly built for a 40 HP engine, using many of the same components as the 65 HP 3203. Nikasil has several advantages over the old steel sleeve design that Rotax uses. EFI also eliminates the possibility of carb ice.  Our limited warranty covers all labor and parts at our cost for any failure, not including operator error, abuse, or routine maintenance. However, you will have a better flying airplane for a lot less money if you go with a two stroke. The 582 seems to have a higher crankshaft failure rate. It would be plenty of power and would be much lighter. The cost will be the same or less.   One other option would be a Hirth inline engine.  The 2702 would be an excellent engine for this airframe, however it is too heavy to make part 103. I do not consider the 582 to be as reliable of an engine as the 503. It will soon become difficult to get certain parts for the 447. On a warm day I would not even attempt it. It is also a very economical engine. Several years later I sold that airplane and restored it for the new owner. To choose a correct engine, first we must look at the intended mission.  The crankshaft is warranted for 3 years from date of purchase. Running a 582 at 5 gallons per hour equals 300 hours.  If you are not very mechanical and just want something you cannot mess up and never have to “tweak”, the fuel injection is a great option. Although I do not have extensive experience with these engines, we do sell and install them occasionally. Power. In Canadian funds this engine can cost over $15,000 when you include, shipping, radiator, exhaust system, etc. It really is overkill for this airframe, but it will work just fine. If you hit TBO in a 912 you are going to find that you might as well ebay the engine and buy a new one. A cold seizure occurs when an engine that has not been properly warmed up and is subjected to take off power.  The thrust from the 3003 will leave a 912 in the dust. Rotax, a division of Bombardier, has been building two stroke and four stroke engines for many years for many different markets. It is possible to make part 103 with electric start on this engine.   One of the most common causes of engine failure in two strokes is improper prop loading and carb tuning. Diaphragms & holders. It would be better to start with a current production engine so that parts will be available for the long haul. However, the cost of the overhaul of the 3002/3003 is much less than half the cost to overhaul a 912. Kind of like shifting to a lower gear in your car. There are several OEM’s that are currently using the 582 in kit aircraft as well as SLSA aircraft. The 3202 has plenty of power to take you up like rocket and with the high torque, low RPM design, it will cruise at a very low throttle setting and sip fuel. A used, overhauled non provision engine can often be purchased, overhauled, and ready for use for less than $1000. I fill the fuel caddy with straight gas from a bulk tank, then mix the oil into it. The model 99 was designed to help prevent this, but is has not eliminated it. The first engine that I would suggest for the GT400 is the 2702. ROTALK NEWS Episode 4ROTAX's 915iS-powered Aquila A211 test aircraft, the Scheibe SF-25C Falke (first-ever 912-equipped aircraft!) It’s not worth it for 5 horsepower.  At Heavenbound Aviation, our goal is to make ALL engines as reliable as absolutely possible. The Rotax 503, 52 HP engine was probably the most popular engine in the two seat ultralight type aircraft for over 25 years. Also, fuel burn really is not all that relevant of an issue at 50 hours per year. That makes a lot more sense in my opinion. The purpose of this article is to discuss the options that are currently available and in common use with a good safety record. This made the 503 even more reliable. But most issues with the 582 tend to involve the cooling system as installed on the airframe. If we simply put a prop on a two stroke, it will not make very much thrust because it does not have very much torque, therefore cannot swing a very big propeller. They are currently available brand new, and parts are readily available. With the two seat models the engine is no longer mounted inverted under the root tube, but is mounted upright on top of the root tube. While it is conveinent, it is a mechanical device that can fail. 90 ROTAX® 582 UL DCDI Mod. As far as part 103, if you wanted to be technical, if the battery has quick disconnects it does not have to be considered part of the airframe for weight purposes since is it not permanently mounted. Rotax. 447UL Illustrated Parts (11) 503UL CDI (12) 582UL (13) 2-Stroke Accessories (224) Price.  Another advance in two stroke technology pioneered by Hirth is  carbon fiber reed valves in place of piston porting or rotary valve porting. That simply means that the engine does not have a provision for a gearbox. However, if I were to build one, I would still opt for the 3203. Change Cookie Consent They also came out with the B gearbox for the provision 8 crankcase, followed by the C gearbox which incorporated a rubber dampening coupler instead of direct drive and larger gears to accommodate more horsepower, larger heavier props and deeper reduction ratios.   There is yet one more option for the Aerolite 103.  It is possible to order it from the factory with a Briggs and Stratton four stroke engine.  I personally don’t think Briggs ever made a very good lawnmower engine, so putting one on an airplane does not seem like a good idea to me.  However, it seems to be working out fairly well.  Time will tell.  The Briggs engine is 22 HP and reportedly the Aerolite will climb at 600 fpm with it.  If I were building an Aerolite 103, I would probably opt for the F23 because I really like that engine from a design standpoint.  Also, it is the highest performance engine that will (almost) make part 103 weight.  (it might also break out of the top speed of part 103 without a throttle stop though). For those who would like to stay with a new engine, the Hirth 2702 makes a great option. The Hirth 3202 is a perfect match for this airframe.  At 55 HP it will out perform a 503 and is plenty of power.  It is a low RPM, high torque engine, operating very smooth and quieter than 3203, while sipping fuel.  It has incredible torque.  We run our 3203’s at about 12 degrees pitch on a 3 blade 60” square tip warp drive.  The 3202 has to have more than 14 degrees to hold it back! The 2702 is fairly heavy for a 40 HP engine, weighing around 10 lbs more than a 447. To this day, Hirth manufactures many models of two stroke engines for aviation, both manned and unmanned, but they still have no interest in the four stroke market. The engines that have Denso ignition were originally sled engines. While this engine will be an excellent candidate for this airframe, the installation still has some bugs to work out. The 447 filled an important niche in the aviation market and will be missed. Second, it is an electronic device with several necessary components. The 3203 is a direct competitor of the Rotax 582 in many applications. This is an ideal engine for most of the Challenger line of aircraft as well as many of the Quicksilver models. With the 582 being the only remaining two stroke they currently produce, it is inevitable that Rotax will see an ever decreasing market share. Forced to use snowmobile engines Quicksilver designed a shaft driven belt reduction drive that is directly attached to the root tube of the airframe. The 3203 is simply a better choice and more cost effective. Rotax 447 specifications: Rotax 503 specifications: Rotax 582 specifications: Rotax 618 specifications: Rotax 912 specifications: Comparing the cost of the Rotax 582, Rotax 618, and Rotax 912 engines: Rotax 912 fuel consumption and torque specs: Rotax 912 installation weights : Rotax A drive: Rotax B drive: Rotax C drive: Rotax E drive They were created primarily to be a drop in replacement for the 582. The 582 model 90 came out in 1990 and is often referred to as a “grey head”. Log into the BMAA forum as Martin said, you will get all the answers you need. Also from Quicksilver, the Rotax 912 is available in either 80 HP or 100 HP. You can just turn the key and go fly. Currently, Quicksilver is experimenting with the use of the F23 on the Sprint and Sport models. With a larger bore and dual electronic ignition it was nice improvement over the 532 and increased reliability. For an aircraft, we not only need an engine to produce lots of power, but we have to convert that power into thrust, which is what propels the aircraft forward. While it is possible to use fuel injection on the F33, it is quite expensive, and will increase the weight somewhat, and is generally not recommended for part 103. The Hirth 3203, 65 HP, is nearly identical to the 3202, but is ported and tuned differently to make peak horsepower at 6500 RPM rather than 5500. With EFI the fuel mixture is always perfect. In time people learned that if you take a new Rotax engine and tear it down and straighten the crank and check the balance and tolerances and adjust as necessary that you could make a fairly reliable engine out of it. But in the case of a two stroke, take a Hirth for example, lets say for preventative maintenance we do a full teardown, inspection, and re-seal every 7 years, we would have spent about $650 on it twice, so about $1300, and now at 1000 hours we are going to do a full overhaul, new crank, pistons and all wear parts.  The F23 is also gaining popularity in the paragliding and powered parachute world. The sled version of these engines work just fine though if properly jetted and operated. With a heavier wing loading it also rides out the bumps better and cruises a little quicker. With a 1000 hour TBO, much less up front cost, and similar fuel burn, the overall cost of operation is much less. Johnstown, OH 43031. However, my recommendation would still be to stay with a 3203. Now I can put a 240 lb guy in it on a cool day and see 500-600 fpm climb. Warranty:  The Hirth factory warranty is one year from the date of purchase for the entire engine. This means that it is way overbuilt for a 40 HP engine. For the two seat clipped wing I highly recommend the 3203. installation on a Kolb Firefly, and will soon be working on a Challenger installation. The main two models of four stroke engines that are popular in our aircraft are the Rotax 912, and the HKS 700. I could get a 240 lb guy up on a cold day, but it made me very uneasy. In this model, the 582 does have an attractive feature, and that is simply that you can order a complete aircraft from one source and simply bolt it together and go fly. Also, when purchasing it through Quicksilver it is surprisingly price competitive. Although it probably is not possible to make part 103 with this engine, the reality is that with a Quicksilver, no one will ever question it as an ultralight. The 3202 often looses out to the 3203 however, because for a little more money and no weight gain, it is possible to have an additional 15 HP. The GT400 was designed with the Rotax 447 and 503 in mind. The key to having a two seat clipped wing that performs well is keeping it light and having plenty of power. There are two disadvantages to fuel injection. It increases engine torque and reduces fuel burn. The 2702, 40 HP is perfectly adequate to make this a fun airplane. The Sprint 2 and Sport 2 models, although they look very similar to the Sprint 1 and Sport 1 models, are very different concerning the engine installation. The cost to upgrade on a new engine is only about $60, and well worth it in all applications in my opinion. 99 d00287 0) Preface Congratulation on your decision to use a ROTAX ® aircraft engine. Effectivity: 447 UL SCDI, 503 UL DCDI, 582 UL DCDI /mod. Now we have an engine that we spent far less on upfront, was never more than 7 years from a tear down inspection and re-seal, and can be overhauled completely for a fraction of the cost. In an application that requires a gearbox, the 2702 is fitted with the G50 gearbox. This option accomplishes two things.   If you are flying at very high elevations, or on floats, the 3203, 65 HP might be a better option.  Without any weight penalty you will get another 10 HP.  Since it runs up to 6500, it will make a little more noise than a 3202, and will burn a little more fuel.  But if power is what you are after, this is the engine you need.  While you could also use a 582 in this application, I think you will find that when comparing it to a 3203, the 3203 wins hands down.  The 3203 is much simpler to install, weighs 25 lbs less, has less drag, has a higher TBO, is more reliable and about $2000 less expensive than the 582.  There just is no reason to use a 582 unless Rotax is the only engine in your vocabulary. 582 (1) 165: 55: 2.72: 11G2: 3: 1: 582 (3) 145: 55: 2.68: 15K2: 3: 1: 1 = Without Rotax® intake silencer kit, with K&N RC1200 air filter, with or without Rotax® after muffler kit. While the 582 is the factory option for the GT500, I would recommend the 3203 as a better alternative. The 582 model 90 came out in 1990 and is often referred to as a “grey head”. For our application these engines should be in used in the fan cooled configuration. A two stroke makes a whole lot of power for it’s size and weight. Other options for this airframe include a 3202, 55 HP. They made engines for the Luftwaffe during the war. First, we will discuss each engine model, then we will consider each airframe and what is the best match for each. One more option might be the F23. Rotax 503 UL DCDI 50HP 2-stroke engine specially developed for recreational aircraft 2 cylinders, cooled by fan Piston ported intake Dual capacitor - December 4, 2020 Because of this feature, the Quicksilver Sport and Sprint can use what we call a “non provision” engine. The Rotax 582 65 HP is the only two stroke aviation engine that Rotax currently produces. However, more power is fun. Also, note that these models come with a mount and propeller for either a 447 or 503 unless directed otherwise. However, in nearly every application where the 582 can be used, the Hirth 3202 or 3203 would be a better choice. Search $ 0 $ 2150. A difference of 1 gallon per hour would burn 50 gallons per year more. Another option for this airframe as well would be the F23 once the installation design is completed.  Along the way, you will spend a small fortune keeping up with the AD’s and maintenance of the 912, with parts prices that are off the chart and sometimes not readily available. Generally we recommend the Powerfin E model three blade prop for this application. Another huge advantage of using Nikasil in a two stroke is that it expands at the same rate as the piston making a piston seizure far less likely. However, when considering all of the options, for a little more money and nearly the same weight you could opt for a 3202 at 55 HP. We might use a very deep reduction like 3.5:1, which turns the prop one time for every 3.5 revolutions of the crankshaft, on a slow aircraft to give it maximum low speed thrust with a big propeller. Many of the problems that two stroke engines suffer from are related to improper jetting and prop loading. You have no items to compare. It is very simple installation, less weight, longer TBO, lower fuel burn… it’s just a better engine.  We do this for two reasons. Another feature of this engine is that it is a high torque, low rpm engine, developing it’s peak power at around 5500 RPM. Because it is built on the same design as the 55 and 65 HP models, it uses many of the same components including the crankshaft. The Hirth 3202, 55 HP engine is a low rpm, high torque engine, making it’s peak power at 5500 RPM. Since most airframes were designed around inline twin cylinder engines, it can be challenging to work out a good installation. 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